Thursday, May 7, 2015

CC's Genealogy Today

Today I am following up on the marriage records that I had found.  I am looking at their 1880 Census data to do some comparisons and most importantly looking for if they have any child that resembles my 2nd Great grand mother's name: Ella Susan Williams.

Lets start with:
Name:
Thomas I C Williams
Spouse:
Marriage Date:
1 Jun 1874
Marriage Place:
Washington, Maryland, United States
URL:

Wow!  There are 2 possibilities for this couple!

Name:
Thomas Williams
Age:
37
Birth Year:
abt 1843
Birthplace:
Indiana
Home in 1880:
Jackson, Hancock, Indiana
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Relation to Head of House:
Self (Head)
Marital Status:
Married
Spouse's Name:
Cora D. Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Indiana
Mother's Birthplace:
Indiana
Neighbors:
Occupation:
Saw Mill
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:

No children listed in this census so I think I can rule this one out.

Name:
Thomas Williams
Age:
22
Birth Year:
abt 1858
Birthplace:
Illinois
Home in 1880:
Stokes, Union, Illinois
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Relation to Head of House:
Self (Head)
Marital Status:
Married
Spouse's Name:
Cora Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Illinois
Mother's Birthplace:
Illinois
Neighbors:
Occupation:
Laborer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:

No Ella listed.  Also I would expect them to be living in either Maryland or Ohio.  So I am pretty sure I can cross this couple off of my list of possibilities.

Next one:
Name:
Thomas E William
Spouse:
Marriage Date:
3 Aug 1867
Marriage Place:
Washington, Maryland, United States
URL:
There are over 4000 results.  The most likely results don't look likely at all.

I am adding lived in Maryland in my search results to minimize the results.
Next up:
Name:
John Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Sarah Grey
Marriage Date:
8 Feb 1864
County:
Frederick
State:
MD

I feel like I am going about this all wrong.  Switching to the highly likely one.  I already have an 1880 census for Thomas and Lydia but the only marriage I found for them is after the 1880 census.  I am going to see if I find one for:
Name:
Richd. Thomas Williams
Spouse:
E. F. Bryan
Marriage Date:
26 Jan 1872
County:
Anne Arundel
State:
MD

This is frustrating…there are so many results. 

Going back to the tree hints and seeing what others have for Richard Thomas Williams.
Name:
R. Thomas Williams
Age:
33
Birth Year:
abt 1847
Birthplace:
Maryland
Home in 1880:
District 2, Anne Arundel, Maryland
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Relation to Head of House:
Self (Head)
Marital Status:
Married
Spouse's Name:
Frances Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Maryland
Mother's Birthplace:
Maryland
Neighbors:
Occupation:
Carpenter & Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:


And this is the one I have for Thomas and Lydia F:
Name:
Thomas Williams
Age:
31
Birth Year:
abt 1849
Birthplace:
Maryland
Home in 1880:
District 7, Baltimore, Maryland
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Relation to Head of House:
Self (Head)
Marital Status:
Married
Spouse's Name:
Lydia F Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Maryland
Mother's Birthplace:
Maryland
Neighbors:
Occupation:
Laborer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:



Many people have both census attached to Thomas probably because they are as confused as me.

I think I need to go back and recheck Ella's info and see why I picked the one census over the other.
On her death certificate her husband William Cook reported that her father's name was Thomas Williams born in Maryland and unknown for the mother.  So we know her father's name was Thomas Williams.  Going back to the earliest census after her marriage she reports being born in Maryland in May 1872, her father's birthplace as Maryland and her mother's birthplace as Maryland.  Since Ancestry updated their search of the census records to include parents' birthplaces.  I am going to do a search for her 1880 Census with her birth year and place, her father's name and birthplace, and her mother's birthplace.  Just to make sure I didn't exclude any possibilities, and accidently picked the wrong Thomas Williams.

I just looked and Ellen whose parents are Thomas and Lydia was born in 1872.  Elsie whose parents are Richard Thomas and Frances was born in 1875.  That's why I picked Thomas and Lydia.  Doing a search of Ellen Susan Williams born 1872 +/- 1 to Thomas Williams born in Maryland and no name put in the search field but born in Maryland produced 7 results on ancestry.  The one with Thomas and Lydia was the only one with a Thomas listed.  I am going to take off the Maryland birth for her mother and see what comes up.  Same 7 results.  Taking Maryland off of the father's birthplace to see what comes up.  Same 7 results.  So I am sure I am basing my search on the right 1880 Census! 

Since I have confirmed that my Thomas Williams with Lydia F and Richard Thomas Williams with Frances are 2 completely separate couples…I can rule Richard Thomas Williams and E. F. Bryan's marriage record out.

Prior to doing an in depth research I did come across an IGI record that said Lydia F was Lydia Phelps.  The problems I had with this record was that it stated she was born 15yrs prior to her reported birth in this 1880 census, that she was born in Missouri (why would she be born in Missouri go to Maryland get married, have kids, and her family end up in Ohio? Just doesn't make much sense to me), and I found her death record saying she married a Verne and died a Verne.  So that rules this IGI record out.  I still don't think it was Lydia Holland either because their marriage record says they were married after the 1880 Census.  Since Family Search has had records Ancestry doesn't I am going to go search for their marriage there.

Name: Thomas Williams, Event: Marriage, Place: Maryland, Event Range: 1864-1880, Spouse Name: Lydia F, Country:United States, State or Province:Maryland, Record Type:Marriage
Only Richard Thomas Williams, and C.T. Williams listed as father of the bride for Anne E. Williams.

Name: Thomas Williams, Event: Marriage, Place: Maryland, Event Range: 1864-1880, Spouse Name: Lydia, Country:United States, State or Province:Maryland, Record Type:Marriage

Only C. T.

Name: Thomas Williams, Event: Marriage, Place: Maryland, Event Range: 1864-1880, Country:United States, State or Province:Maryland, Record Type:Marriage
Ok! 13 results! Thomas Williams &:
  • Betsie Williams (I guess Betsie could be a nickname, not one that would make much sense though).
  • Juliet M Yolson (don't think so).
  • Henrietta Mathews (I don't think so).
  • Hannah Bradford (I don't think so).
  • Lizzie E Smithers (hmmm I guess Lizzie could be a nickname for Lydia and the E could have been confused for an F maybe).
Name:
Thomas H. Williams
Spouse's Name:
Event Date:
20 Sep 1873
Event Place:
Dorchester, Maryland
This would have been a year after Ella's birth though.
  • Henretta Stack (I don't think so).
  • E.F. Bryan (already ruled that one out).
  • Nellie Adams (Nellie is a common nickname so it's possible).
Name:
Thomas Gwillian
Spouse's Name:
Event Date:
25 Oct 1870
Event Place:
English Evangelical Lutheran Church, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland
This one is in the same county as the 1880 Census, and is also before Ella's birth.
  • Mary E. Fitzhugh (I don't see a connection here).
Nothing definitive though… I am going to see if I see anything that includes marriage in the images that haven't been indexed yet.

Nope nothing there.  The most likely records (which I won't attach because they are not definitive) are:
Name:
Thomas E William
Spouse:
Marriage Date:
3 Aug 1867
Marriage Place:
Washington, Maryland, United States
URL:


Name:
Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Lydia Holland
Marriage Date:
18 May 1882
County:
Prince Georges
State:
MD
I only kept this one because of the name.  I'm wondering if it is possible that the year was misread.  Unfortunately there was no image available for me to verify either way.

Name:
Thomas H. Williams
Spouse's Name:
Event Date:
20 Sep 1873
Event Place:
Dorchester, Maryland
This would have been a year after Ella's birth though.
It's more likely that Lizzie stood for Elizabeth though.

Name:
Thomas Gwillian
Spouse's Name:
Event Date:
25 Oct 1870
Event Place:
English Evangelical Lutheran Church, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland
This one is in the same county as the 1880 Census, and is also before Ella's birth.
These are the traditional equivalents for Nellie:
Nellie = Helen
Nelly = Cornelia
Nelly = Eleanor
Nelly = Helen



Hmmm.  I guess I will have to look up the genealogies for these people to rule them out one way or another.  It may be that they are recorded somewhere that hasn't been digitized yet.  So no certain maiden name yet.  That's enough of Lydia for today though.  She is starting to frustrate me.  So I am going to go work on some of my Relative Finder reports now.
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Tuesday, May 5, 2015

CC's Genealogy Today

Lydia F ? WILLIAMS
What do I know about her?
In 1880 she was living with her husband: Thomas WILLIAMS (31), and her 2 daughters: Ella Williams (8) and Sarah E Williams (2).  They lived in: District 7, Baltimore, Maryland.  She was 29 at the time of the census giving her a birth year of about 1851 and reports she was born in Maryland.

Her husband appears to remarry in 1885 in Prince Georges, Maryland (according to the 1900 census) before he moves on to Ohio where he took the 1900 Census.  It appears their daughter Ella Susan WILLIAMS moved with him as she married in Ohio in 1895.

What do I want to know about Lydia F ? WILLIAMS?
What is her maiden name?- I hate not having this for my charts.
Who were her parents?- This will help further the continuation of my tree.
What is her birthday?
What date did she die?

Ok.  Where should I look for clues to answer may questions?
Well it looks like she probably passed away in Maryland.  It looks like most if not all of her life was in Maryland.  Some records that may give me hints to her Maiden name might be a marriage record or death record.  Since I don't have her parents' names it would be kind of difficult to find a birth record or anything at this point.  However since I have her spouse's name I may be able to find a marriage record.  The death record may only have her married name listed so I will look for her marriage record first.

Maryland Marriages, 1667-1899
Marriage records from various counties in Maryland between 1777 and 1899.

Name:
Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Lydia Holland
Marriage Date:
18 May 1882
County:
Prince Georges
State:
MD

This is after the 1880 Census though.  It is the same county that Thomas Oliver WILLIAMS married Mary around 1885 though.

I put 1870 +/-10 years so that I don't get anything after the 1880 Census.  They both claimed in it that they were already married.

Name:
Richd. Thomas Williams
Spouse:
E. F. Bryan
Marriage Date:
26 Jan 1872
County:
Anne Arundel
State:
MD


This is the same year Ellen was born.  I'm pretty sure this isn't it though because I'm pretty sure I saw them in a separate 1880 Census.
Double check 1880 census for Richard Thomas Williams.

There was over 600 records to go through so I restricted the spouse name to match exactly for the last name of Williams.  Those 2 appear to be the only possible Thomas' in that collection.  I'm going to broaden the date again and see if I find anything else.  I don't see anything else.  I am thinking if she was born in 1851 (I don't know how young they married back then) but I am thinking the earliest possible age would be 13 so I am looking for marriages that happened in Maryland between 1864 and 1880 when they reported being married already and she carried his last name.  I just wish Ancestry had a way to put in the exact date range you are looking for instead of +/- whatever.

All Web: Washington County, Maryland, Marriage Index, 1861-1949 results for Thomas Williams

Name:
Thomas I C Williams
Spouse:
Marriage Date:
1 Jun 1874
Marriage Place:
Washington, Maryland, United States
URL:

I don't know how we would go from Cora M to Lydia F though.

Name:
Thomas E William
Spouse:
Marriage Date:
3 Aug 1867
Marriage Place:
Washington, Maryland, United States
URL:

I could see Ellie being a nickname for Lydia though…maybe.  She did name a daughter Ellen Susan and her other daughter was named Sarah E.. So who knows…this could be it.  She would have been 16 here.

Yea nothing else really so went back and searched on the main page for Thomas Williams married 1872 +/- 10 in Maryland.

Name:
John Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Sarah Grey
Marriage Date:
8 Feb 1864
County:
Frederick
State:
MD

This is possible I guess. Doubtful though because she would have only been 13.

Name:
Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Bestsie Williams
Marriage Date:
15 Oct 1868
County:
Prince Georges
State:
MD

Doubtful. 

Name:
Thomas Williams
Spouse:
Henrietta Matthews
Marriage Date:
23 Dec 1871
County:
Prince Georges
State:
MD

Doubtful.

Name:
Thomas J. Williams
Spouse:
Mary E. Jones
Marriage Date:
11 Feb 1864
County:
Somerset
State:
MD

Doubtful.

Name:
Thomas W. Williams
Spouse:
Milcah A. Ward
Marriage Date:
1 Mar 1864
County:
Somerset
State:
MD

Doubtful.

Name:
Thomas E. Williams
Spouse:
Juliet M. Tolson
Marriage Date:
1 Feb 1870
County:
Prince Georges
State:
MD
Doubtful.

Name:
J. Thomas Wellham
Spouse:
Kate Chaney
Marriage Date:
21 Jan 1873
County:
Anne Arundel
State:
MD

Doubtful.


That is it!  Since the Richard Thomas Williams and E. F. Bryan looks like they make the most sense I am going to check into their records more, before I move on to Family Search.  I quite possibly could have the wrong 1880 Census…although I doubt it.
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